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	<title>Comments on: How Unfortunate for Me</title>
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		<title>By: red rabbit</title>
		<link>http://www.healthinsurancecolorado.net/blog1/2007/07/24/how-unfortunate-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10491</link>
		<dc:creator>red rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider this a lesson for next time. Then, do what you would do when you take your car in for an overhaul: get your estimates in writing, with every item noted and make them justify to within an inch of their lives every deviation from said estimate. When they say they can&#039;t give you an estimate in writing, say, &quot;pretend I had the surgery yesterday and everything went peachy. What did it cost?&quot;

In other words, you are a payer. Behave like other payers, notably, the insurance companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this a lesson for next time. Then, do what you would do when you take your car in for an overhaul: get your estimates in writing, with every item noted and make them justify to within an inch of their lives every deviation from said estimate. When they say they can&#8217;t give you an estimate in writing, say, &#8220;pretend I had the surgery yesterday and everything went peachy. What did it cost?&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, you are a payer. Behave like other payers, notably, the insurance companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay Goel, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay Goel, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a huge problem with consumerism today-- patients generally don&#039;t ask for prices and docs aren&#039;t used to creating retail prices (they&#039;re calculated by the gnome in the backoffice).  

This infrastructure is lacking and needs to be built-- and it will be now that people in high deductible plans need to know and are creating accountability.

I had a similar experience with my &lt;a href=&quot;http://consumerfocusedcare.blogspot.com/2007/06/frustration-with-my-hsa-plan-im-now-on.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first derm purchase&lt;/a&gt; through a high-deductable account (I had to pay full fright for retin-a).  

The bigger issue is that the health fee schedules used by most insurance companies is still based on an after-the-fact cost-+ billing model that originated from the early days of fee for service.  Until that changes (and universal healthcare proposals seem to want to &lt;a href=&quot;http://consumerfocusedcare.blogspot.com/2007/07/mandatory-health-insurance-tax-on.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lock-it in&lt;/a&gt;for perpetuity), you won&#039;t see significant movement on pricing transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a huge problem with consumerism today&#8211; patients generally don&#8217;t ask for prices and docs aren&#8217;t used to creating retail prices (they&#8217;re calculated by the gnome in the backoffice).  </p>
<p>This infrastructure is lacking and needs to be built&#8211; and it will be now that people in high deductible plans need to know and are creating accountability.</p>
<p>I had a similar experience with my <a href="http://consumerfocusedcare.blogspot.com/2007/06/frustration-with-my-hsa-plan-im-now-on.html" rel="nofollow">first derm purchase</a> through a high-deductable account (I had to pay full fright for retin-a).  </p>
<p>The bigger issue is that the health fee schedules used by most insurance companies is still based on an after-the-fact cost-+ billing model that originated from the early days of fee for service.  Until that changes (and universal healthcare proposals seem to want to <a href="http://consumerfocusedcare.blogspot.com/2007/07/mandatory-health-insurance-tax-on.html" rel="nofollow">lock-it in</a>for perpetuity), you won&#8217;t see significant movement on pricing transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: K.K.</title>
		<link>http://www.healthinsurancecolorado.net/blog1/2007/07/24/how-unfortunate-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-7558</link>
		<dc:creator>K.K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar experience with EPO coverage recently. I also had a lipoma removed (but it was more ping-pong ball sized, and on my ribs), which turned out to be underneath the intercostal muscles instead of just under the skin. 

Lucky for me, it was in-network. But because it was a more complex surgery than expected, the surgeon billed a different CPT than one normally would for removal of lipoma. I just got billed after the fact for a $40 copay, and no one at Oxford is interested in my argument that the only way we could have known ahead of time what the procedure would be is if I had had an expensive MRI or CT scan. Would their outsourced radiology benefits management company have approved that? Yeah, right.

You may not be able to find out Humana&#039;s fee schedule, but Medicare is the standard, and that&#039;s available to the public through the CMS.gov website. Try to negotiate paying Medicare rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar experience with EPO coverage recently. I also had a lipoma removed (but it was more ping-pong ball sized, and on my ribs), which turned out to be underneath the intercostal muscles instead of just under the skin. </p>
<p>Lucky for me, it was in-network. But because it was a more complex surgery than expected, the surgeon billed a different CPT than one normally would for removal of lipoma. I just got billed after the fact for a $40 copay, and no one at Oxford is interested in my argument that the only way we could have known ahead of time what the procedure would be is if I had had an expensive MRI or CT scan. Would their outsourced radiology benefits management company have approved that? Yeah, right.</p>
<p>You may not be able to find out Humana&#8217;s fee schedule, but Medicare is the standard, and that&#8217;s available to the public through the CMS.gov website. Try to negotiate paying Medicare rates.</p>
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