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		<title>By: Colorado Health Insurance Insider &#187; Kaiser Permanente Hospital Change for PPO and POS Members</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colorado Health Insurance Insider &#187; Kaiser Permanente Hospital Change for PPO and POS Members</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hospital for many Colorado members will likely be the Good Samaritan Medical Center in Lafayette, which was just aquired by the Catholic hospital group Sisters of Charity Health System.&#160; To assist members in transitioning their care, Kaiser Permanente will treat Longmont United [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hospital for many Colorado members will likely be the Good Samaritan Medical Center in Lafayette, which was just aquired by the Catholic hospital group Sisters of Charity Health System.&nbsp; To assist members in transitioning their care, Kaiser Permanente will treat Longmont United [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Sweat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Sweat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Palmgren said: &quot;The writer of this article is clearly either unaware or totally biased against the historical fact of the massive positive influence of Religion (Christian Faith) on the development of Western Civilization, especially that of the U.S.&quot;

There are a lot of things in history that have had an influence on the development of Western Civilization, like slavery.  But it&#039;s still unconstitutional.  That is the reason for things like the establishment clause in the constitution, to keep our country from having the problems of middle eastern countries where religious sects wage war so their particular interpretation of the religion can be the official &quot;government sanctioned religion&quot;.

You can thank the secular population of this country for keeping the Christian right in check.  Otherwise, Christians in this country would be just like the Muslims in the middle east who have created an environment where secularism is illegal and you must hold the particular religious beliefs of the state or die.  The bible is not too different from the Quran:

&quot;Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:34)

&quot;If any man takes a wife, and goes in on her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, &#039;I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin...
But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father&#039;s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones...&quot; (Deuteronomy 22:13,14 &amp; 22:20,21)

&quot;If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched.&quot; (Mark 9:43)

(these are just a small sample)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Palmgren said: &#8220;The writer of this article is clearly either unaware or totally biased against the historical fact of the massive positive influence of Religion (Christian Faith) on the development of Western Civilization, especially that of the U.S.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are a lot of things in history that have had an influence on the development of Western Civilization, like slavery.  But it&#8217;s still unconstitutional.  That is the reason for things like the establishment clause in the constitution, to keep our country from having the problems of middle eastern countries where religious sects wage war so their particular interpretation of the religion can be the official &#8220;government sanctioned religion&#8221;.</p>
<p>You can thank the secular population of this country for keeping the Christian right in check.  Otherwise, Christians in this country would be just like the Muslims in the middle east who have created an environment where secularism is illegal and you must hold the particular religious beliefs of the state or die.  The bible is not too different from the Quran:</p>
<p>&#8220;Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.&#8221; (1 Corinthians 14:34)</p>
<p>&#8220;If any man takes a wife, and goes in on her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, &#8216;I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin&#8230;<br />
But if &#8230; evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father&#8217;s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones&#8230;&#8221; (Deuteronomy 22:13,14 &amp; 22:20,21)</p>
<p>&#8220;If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched.&#8221; (Mark 9:43)</p>
<p>(these are just a small sample)</p>
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		<title>By: Colorado Health Insurance Insider &#187; Exempla Files Lawsuit To Block Hospital Sale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colorado Health Insurance Insider &#187; Exempla Files Lawsuit To Block Hospital Sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Exempla Healthcare.&#160; The hospital board filed a lawsuit in Denver today to stop the sale of two Exempla Hospitals that were to be bought by a Catholic [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
Thanks for your comment.  Your focus seems to be on abortion:
&quot;To call abortion healthcare or reproductive services is an oxymoron. By God’s grace, true Christians will fight against this curse and the culture of death while we have breath.&quot;
I specifically focused on the other issues - emergency contraception for rape victims, tubal ligations and other forms of contraception, along with end of life care - that come up when a hospital is run by a Catholic organization.  
The vast majority of Americans believe in family planning and the use of contraception.  When a major hospital that serves a huge community of diverse people refuses to provide basic family planning services, a line has been crossed between secular and religious life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
Thanks for your comment.  Your focus seems to be on abortion:<br />
&#8220;To call abortion healthcare or reproductive services is an oxymoron. By God’s grace, true Christians will fight against this curse and the culture of death while we have breath.&#8221;<br />
I specifically focused on the other issues &#8211; emergency contraception for rape victims, tubal ligations and other forms of contraception, along with end of life care &#8211; that come up when a hospital is run by a Catholic organization.<br />
The vast majority of Americans believe in family planning and the use of contraception.  When a major hospital that serves a huge community of diverse people refuses to provide basic family planning services, a line has been crossed between secular and religious life.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ruff</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our founding fathers had the simple plan of keeping government and religion separate in order to create a society where people of any religion, or none at all, were equal.  Christians may have had a positive influence, they&#039;ve also done a lot of things that have the effect of a negative influence.  The fact is, they should have been doing the good they were doing to serve others in the name of Christ, not with the hidden agenda of politicking.&lt;br /&gt;
Abraham Lincoln did indeed say “we have forgotten God,” but he was a deist - not a Christian.&lt;br /&gt;
When his Christian friends at Petersburg interfered to prevent his proposed duel with Shields, and told him that it was contrary to the teachings of the Bible and Christianity, he remarked:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession&quot; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While at Washington, in a letter to his old friend, Judge Wakefield, written in 1862, in answer to inquiries respecting his belief and the expressed hope that he had become convinced of the truth of Christianity, he replied as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the Scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a discussion touching upon the paternity of Jesus, he said:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;There must have been sexual intercourse between man and woman, and not between God and his daughter.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our founding fathers had the simple plan of keeping government and religion separate in order to create a society where people of any religion, or none at all, were equal.  Christians may have had a positive influence, they&#8217;ve also done a lot of things that have the effect of a negative influence.  The fact is, they should have been doing the good they were doing to serve others in the name of Christ, not with the hidden agenda of politicking.<br />
Abraham Lincoln did indeed say “we have forgotten God,” but he was a deist &#8211; not a Christian.<br />
When his Christian friends at Petersburg interfered to prevent his proposed duel with Shields, and told him that it was contrary to the teachings of the Bible and Christianity, he remarked:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession&#8221; </p>
<p>While at Washington, in a letter to his old friend, Judge Wakefield, written in 1862, in answer to inquiries respecting his belief and the expressed hope that he had become convinced of the truth of Christianity, he replied as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the Scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.&#8221;</p>
<p>In a discussion touching upon the paternity of Jesus, he said:</p>
<p>&#8220;There must have been sexual intercourse between man and woman, and not between God and his daughter.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Palmgren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Palmgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE Article &quot;Religion and Medicine A Bad Mix&quot; dated 1/7/08&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What an arrogant secular statement to say &quot;Regligion has no place in medicine just as it has no place in politics.&quot; The writer of this article is clearly either unaware or totally biased against the historical fact of the massive positive influence of Religion (Christian Faith) on the development of Western Civilization, especially that of the U.S. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The very reason we have many Catholic Hospital organizations is because early on these organizations were founded out of love for Christ to serve those in need. This Biblical mandate and moral obligation was owned and acted upon by Catholics and others of the Christan Faith (Lutheran&#039;s, Presbyterians, etc)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The founding fathers were deeply religious and any cursory look at their writings will show that their religion played a huge part in the formation of this nation, its government and governing principles. The reason our country is in the terrible shape it is in is because as Lincoln once said: &quot;we have forgotten God.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Freedom of Religion in the founder&#039;s time meant that the government should not interfere with the church, today it means &quot;the church can&#039;t have a place in the government, marketplace of ideas, healthcare, etc. It must stay inside church walls.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Religion is the basis for morality and morality is the basis for law. Abortion has become a political issue but it is first and foremost a moral issue. Christians identify life at conception and we will always seek to protect human life from this point. To call abortion healthcare or reproductive services is an oxymoron. By God&#039;s grace, true Christians will fight against this curse and the culture of death while we have breath.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE Article &#8220;Religion and Medicine A Bad Mix&#8221; dated 1/7/08</p>
<p>What an arrogant secular statement to say &#8220;Regligion has no place in medicine just as it has no place in politics.&#8221; The writer of this article is clearly either unaware or totally biased against the historical fact of the massive positive influence of Religion (Christian Faith) on the development of Western Civilization, especially that of the U.S. </p>
<p>The very reason we have many Catholic Hospital organizations is because early on these organizations were founded out of love for Christ to serve those in need. This Biblical mandate and moral obligation was owned and acted upon by Catholics and others of the Christan Faith (Lutheran&#8217;s, Presbyterians, etc)</p>
<p>The founding fathers were deeply religious and any cursory look at their writings will show that their religion played a huge part in the formation of this nation, its government and governing principles. The reason our country is in the terrible shape it is in is because as Lincoln once said: &#8220;we have forgotten God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Freedom of Religion in the founder&#8217;s time meant that the government should not interfere with the church, today it means &#8220;the church can&#8217;t have a place in the government, marketplace of ideas, healthcare, etc. It must stay inside church walls.&#8221;</p>
<p>Religion is the basis for morality and morality is the basis for law. Abortion has become a political issue but it is first and foremost a moral issue. Christians identify life at conception and we will always seek to protect human life from this point. To call abortion healthcare or reproductive services is an oxymoron. By God&#8217;s grace, true Christians will fight against this curse and the culture of death while we have breath.</p>
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