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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.healthinsurancecolorado.net/blog1/2009/08/17/public-and-private-enterprises-can-coexist/comment-page-1/#comment-14057</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron,
Thanks for weighing in, and for the good points you made.  I agree that employers are more likely than individuals to make decisions about health insurance based strictly on cost.  That said, if an employer stops offering health insurance, the employees would still have an option of purchasing private health insurance much as they do now.  Especially if the rules change down the road and pre-existing conditions are no longer a road block for individual health insurance. 
I agree completely that the profit made by private health insurance companies is not a major factor in health care costs.  I&#039;ve written several articles about this, and addressed the common misperceptions people have about how profitable insurance companies are.  I do think that the profitability of the pharmaceutical industry is a factor (in 2007, Johnson &amp; Johnson, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Wyeth, and GlaxoSmithKline all had profits in excess of 20% of their revenues) that needs to be addressed.  I also think that we need to curtail pharmaceutical advertising, both to consumers and to doctors.  
I&#039;m a fan of higher deductible, HSA qualified health insurance plans as a way to combat the &quot;sure, I&#039;ll take that x-ray, why not&quot; mentality that you mentioned.  If we have to pay for our own non-catastrophic care, we&#039;re more likely to ask about costs and question the necessity of tests.
You make a good point about the problem of paying for all of this, and that&#039;s obviously the sticking point for a lot of the reform possibilities that are on the table.  Hopefully we can find a solution that entails enough compromise to satisfy at least some of the people on either side of the debate, and that expands access to care for the millions of people who don&#039;t really have any access at all right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron,<br />
Thanks for weighing in, and for the good points you made.  I agree that employers are more likely than individuals to make decisions about health insurance based strictly on cost.  That said, if an employer stops offering health insurance, the employees would still have an option of purchasing private health insurance much as they do now.  Especially if the rules change down the road and pre-existing conditions are no longer a road block for individual health insurance.<br />
I agree completely that the profit made by private health insurance companies is not a major factor in health care costs.  I&#8217;ve written several articles about this, and addressed the common misperceptions people have about how profitable insurance companies are.  I do think that the profitability of the pharmaceutical industry is a factor (in 2007, Johnson &amp; Johnson, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Wyeth, and GlaxoSmithKline all had profits in excess of 20% of their revenues) that needs to be addressed.  I also think that we need to curtail pharmaceutical advertising, both to consumers and to doctors.<br />
I&#8217;m a fan of higher deductible, HSA qualified health insurance plans as a way to combat the &#8220;sure, I&#8217;ll take that x-ray, why not&#8221; mentality that you mentioned.  If we have to pay for our own non-catastrophic care, we&#8217;re more likely to ask about costs and question the necessity of tests.<br />
You make a good point about the problem of paying for all of this, and that&#8217;s obviously the sticking point for a lot of the reform possibilities that are on the table.  Hopefully we can find a solution that entails enough compromise to satisfy at least some of the people on either side of the debate, and that expands access to care for the millions of people who don&#8217;t really have any access at all right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.healthinsurancecolorado.net/blog1/2009/08/17/public-and-private-enterprises-can-coexist/comment-page-1/#comment-14055</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise said:

&quot;I have to assume that the people who are adamantly opposed to any sort of government intervention into their health care wouldn’t switch to a public health insurance option, even if it were cheaper than their current private health insurance.&quot;

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&quot;But the government versus private enterprise issue doesn’t really come into play. With health care, it would be a very different ballgame, and that might play in favor of the private health insurance that people already have.&quot;

Unfortunately, it&#039;s not as easy as that.  Most people don&#039;t make their health insurance choices.  That choice is usually made by employers, and they have an incentive to make a choice based on cost.  If a company is struggling financially, they could stop providing insurance and instead pay the tax of 8% of payroll to sign up their employees for the public option.  The choice is not made by the employee.

The government is able to stack the deck in its favor in this competition because it can tax individuals on private insurance they do receive through employers, and they can charge the common man less while charging the rich more, simply because it&#039;s a government service.  Private insurance companies can&#039;t do this; the only thing they can do is charge more for those who use their services more (which sounds pretty fair), but they are now being attacked for doing this.  Can you imagine if you had to bring your tax return with you to FedEx so they could charge you more if you&#039;re rich, or if the government forbid them from charging more for shipping a heavier package over a longer distance?  Yet that is what&#039;s happening with health care reform.

But even if you want to overlook all the drawbacks in terms of fairness, or loss of our rights, because &quot;think of all the people with no health care&quot;, think of the feasibility.  How can we cover 40 million more people and remain deficit neutral?  Just doing what the insurance companies do but without the profit won&#039;t do it.  Insurance companies don&#039;t make that much profit, really.  Aetna, one of the largest health insurance companies, made only a 4.5% profit margin last year.  Check their income statement at http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=AET&amp;annual.  So removing the profit by switching to a non-profit model would only save 4.5% of the costs.  We can&#039;t cover twice as many people for less money by only saving 4.5%.  Insurance companies don&#039;t raise premiums from year to year, or limit the amount they&#039;ll pay on certain procedures, because they&#039;re greedy and they&#039;re trying to rake in huge profits.  They do it because they have huge costs and they need to bring in revenue in order to pay for them.  If they didn&#039;t raise prices to cover their costs, they would go out of business and then nobody would be covered.  The government will be no different, unless of course it decides to operate the program at a huge deficit.

If we cover 40 million additional people, there are two options available.  We can give them lots of personal choice (&quot;sure, I&#039;ll take that x-ray, why not&quot;) and it will cost an absolute fortune and our debt will increase drastically, or they can keep it in budget by limiting what kinds of procedures you can get and what sorts of options are available.  We simply cannot provide personal choice, lower cost, and a third party payer simultaneously.  The promise of personal choice and deficit neutrality is impossible to keep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have to assume that the people who are adamantly opposed to any sort of government intervention into their health care wouldn’t switch to a public health insurance option, even if it were cheaper than their current private health insurance.&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;But the government versus private enterprise issue doesn’t really come into play. With health care, it would be a very different ballgame, and that might play in favor of the private health insurance that people already have.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s not as easy as that.  Most people don&#8217;t make their health insurance choices.  That choice is usually made by employers, and they have an incentive to make a choice based on cost.  If a company is struggling financially, they could stop providing insurance and instead pay the tax of 8% of payroll to sign up their employees for the public option.  The choice is not made by the employee.</p>
<p>The government is able to stack the deck in its favor in this competition because it can tax individuals on private insurance they do receive through employers, and they can charge the common man less while charging the rich more, simply because it&#8217;s a government service.  Private insurance companies can&#8217;t do this; the only thing they can do is charge more for those who use their services more (which sounds pretty fair), but they are now being attacked for doing this.  Can you imagine if you had to bring your tax return with you to FedEx so they could charge you more if you&#8217;re rich, or if the government forbid them from charging more for shipping a heavier package over a longer distance?  Yet that is what&#8217;s happening with health care reform.</p>
<p>But even if you want to overlook all the drawbacks in terms of fairness, or loss of our rights, because &#8220;think of all the people with no health care&#8221;, think of the feasibility.  How can we cover 40 million more people and remain deficit neutral?  Just doing what the insurance companies do but without the profit won&#8217;t do it.  Insurance companies don&#8217;t make that much profit, really.  Aetna, one of the largest health insurance companies, made only a 4.5% profit margin last year.  Check their income statement at <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=AET&amp;annual" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=AET&amp;annual</a>.  So removing the profit by switching to a non-profit model would only save 4.5% of the costs.  We can&#8217;t cover twice as many people for less money by only saving 4.5%.  Insurance companies don&#8217;t raise premiums from year to year, or limit the amount they&#8217;ll pay on certain procedures, because they&#8217;re greedy and they&#8217;re trying to rake in huge profits.  They do it because they have huge costs and they need to bring in revenue in order to pay for them.  If they didn&#8217;t raise prices to cover their costs, they would go out of business and then nobody would be covered.  The government will be no different, unless of course it decides to operate the program at a huge deficit.</p>
<p>If we cover 40 million additional people, there are two options available.  We can give them lots of personal choice (&#8220;sure, I&#8217;ll take that x-ray, why not&#8221;) and it will cost an absolute fortune and our debt will increase drastically, or they can keep it in budget by limiting what kinds of procedures you can get and what sorts of options are available.  We simply cannot provide personal choice, lower cost, and a third party payer simultaneously.  The promise of personal choice and deficit neutrality is impossible to keep.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.healthinsurancecolorado.net/blog1/2009/08/17/public-and-private-enterprises-can-coexist/comment-page-1/#comment-14054</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
You make good points, and you&#039;re correct that two vastly different industries can&#039;t really be compared.  But with health insurance, there are issues that go beyond money.  I have to assume that the people who are adamantly opposed to any sort of government intervention into their health care wouldn&#039;t switch to a public health insurance option, even if it were cheaper than their current private health insurance.  People who currently can&#039;t afford health insurance would likely be happy with a public option, but I don&#039;t see large numbers of people migrating away from private health insurance to a public plan, simply because the idea of such a plan is not even close to universally supported.
With the shipping of mail and packages, I don&#039;t think many people have an opinion one way or another on the issue of government involvement.  I think most of us choose our mail service based on price and convenience, and maybe things like reliability and past experience.  But the government versus private enterprise issue doesn&#039;t really come into play.  With health care, it would be a very different ballgame, and that might play in favor of the private health insurance that people already have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
You make good points, and you&#8217;re correct that two vastly different industries can&#8217;t really be compared.  But with health insurance, there are issues that go beyond money.  I have to assume that the people who are adamantly opposed to any sort of government intervention into their health care wouldn&#8217;t switch to a public health insurance option, even if it were cheaper than their current private health insurance.  People who currently can&#8217;t afford health insurance would likely be happy with a public option, but I don&#8217;t see large numbers of people migrating away from private health insurance to a public plan, simply because the idea of such a plan is not even close to universally supported.<br />
With the shipping of mail and packages, I don&#8217;t think many people have an opinion one way or another on the issue of government involvement.  I think most of us choose our mail service based on price and convenience, and maybe things like reliability and past experience.  But the government versus private enterprise issue doesn&#8217;t really come into play.  With health care, it would be a very different ballgame, and that might play in favor of the private health insurance that people already have.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Sugden</title>
		<link>http://www.healthinsurancecolorado.net/blog1/2009/08/17/public-and-private-enterprises-can-coexist/comment-page-1/#comment-14053</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Sugden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the comparison of a Public Plan Option and private health palns to the operation of FedX, UPS and the USPS is a flawed one.  Under HB 3200 the governemnt run public option would allow itself to pay Medicare rate +5% (not the Medicaid rates to which the President alluded).  This still places federal reimbursements at about 25% below the negotiated reimburesments of private insurers.  This is the equivalent of mandating that USPS would pay 30% less for fuel and vehicles than FedX and UPS.  I doubt that private competttors would be carrying many packages.  Addtionally, private insurance now subsidizes exisitng federal plans through cost shifting.  FedX and UPS are not required to subsidize the Postal Service.

We currenlty have a mixed public/private system. Any disruption in the delicate balance that currently exists between public and private plans will surely tip the balance in favor of the public option and will destroy the support that public plans reveive for the private sector.  After all, once you kill the private plans, to whom can you shift costs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the comparison of a Public Plan Option and private health palns to the operation of FedX, UPS and the USPS is a flawed one.  Under HB 3200 the governemnt run public option would allow itself to pay Medicare rate +5% (not the Medicaid rates to which the President alluded).  This still places federal reimbursements at about 25% below the negotiated reimburesments of private insurers.  This is the equivalent of mandating that USPS would pay 30% less for fuel and vehicles than FedX and UPS.  I doubt that private competttors would be carrying many packages.  Addtionally, private insurance now subsidizes exisitng federal plans through cost shifting.  FedX and UPS are not required to subsidize the Postal Service.</p>
<p>We currenlty have a mixed public/private system. Any disruption in the delicate balance that currently exists between public and private plans will surely tip the balance in favor of the public option and will destroy the support that public plans reveive for the private sector.  After all, once you kill the private plans, to whom can you shift costs?</p>
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